Talking about GRIP, well, there are a couple of arguments that are making my opinion pretty different from yours:

- the splash, initial page, has no clue to be, really not only is a really old idea, in this case it's also absolutely unusefull.

- with a code like the following: () it's quite difficult to talk good about a site.

- my personal opinion on the layout: pretty passée

DESIGNGUYS

- frameset all over? are they really needed?

- no charset or doctype specified (what's yr job again? website design?)

- navigation is a mess.

I'm sorry, no way these two may be considered as good design examples.

Good design is not a matter of nice jpeg or fluent flash, for me.

PS.:

addendum to previous comment, to see the code I'm talking about about GRIP, take a look at the source code of this window, you will see a comment and there you'll find the code.

Sorry about that.

Ok. I agree on all your comments. I was more focused on the content, the actual work they do. But you are right, if you wanna show off your work, make sure you use the web right.

Now, if you wanna see a frame-crazy site, look at this piece of work. Crap... I meant piece of crap.

Actually, I just looked at the Design Guys site, and I think it has more frames. But at least they have dignity (I have some moral issues with Otherwise).

Rigsby has a great site and does beautiful work. The others seem to do great print work.

Note that design guys outsource most of their creative talent. Not that is a bad thing mind you...I actually find that a very sound business strategy.