I'm obviously missing something: what's so interesting about reading the labels on the washroom liquids dispenser from right to left? I tried reading the words in reverse order, and even tried reading it literally backwards, but I'm not picking up the secret satanic messages... ;)

Teddy, if I read it correctly myself, I think Marian has a rather dirty mind…

I guess her point was that it was interesting that mouthwash follows lotion? A dirty mind could read something into that, I guess.

The thing that struck me was how the hell do you get the mouthwash into your mouth?!! Sip it out of your hand?

The more important question is who on earth would use that thing? It looks like a bacteria transfer device.

Luba Lukova’s PEACE POSTER is a DIRECT DECENDANT of MILES NEWLYN Identity for Uniliver.

This will certainly raise Miles Newlyn Stock as an Identity Designer.

Imitation is the sincerist form of flattery or rip...

Revisit Miles Mewlyn Identity for Uniliver. Link below.

http://www.logolounge.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=198

While I appreciate the originality of Newlyn's Identity. Not sure I want to see the market place flooded with this aesthetic.

It works for the poster; as a one time solution. Yet the communication of the poster evoke semiotics. That's difficult to accomplish without semantics(linguistics).

Maven, Luba's poster (2001) predates Miles' logo for Unilever (2004). Also, Unilever's logo is comprised of much more stylized icons, whereas the examples I made are very "simple, as-is" shapes. Which is why I didn't include Unilever in the graphic, which I considered.

SUPER BOY finally grace us with his presence.

YOU WORK WITH SUPER MAN. (inside joke)

I can say that, I've got you by twenty. And mild mannered by one or two.

Great hearing from you.

Many thanks for the correction. GEZ Armin,

you may have lowered Newlyn's stock. (Kidding)

Anyway both are GREAT Designs. Difficult now-a-days to know which was first. And where Ideas come from. Unless you know where the bodies are burried. Meaning Design birth timeline.

It would've been nice to show Newlyn's Identity

with the Poster. I think they are excellent contrast.

SIGH.

The funny thing is, whenever I tell people about the (in my mind) bizarre dispenser I found in the washroom, when i get to "mouthwash" they burst out laughing (and usually say, "No f*king way, you're kidding me, right? ...").

Maybe it's a Canadian thing.

We're used to seeing soap dispensers, but this was the first time I'd ever seen one that dispensed more than one thing, and that the final one in the read (being back in the corner of the sink area) is, yes suspiciously disgusting and invokes an image of ... what, tipping your head under the machine or ????

is this not funny?

huh?

huh huh huh ha ha ha hahaha ha ahhhh.

Armin and Design Maven, before Luba Lukova there was Pierre Bernard (ex-Grapus, not the Recliner of Rage guy) and his logo for les Parcs Nationaux de France; done in the early 1990's.

Before M. Bernard, there was British artist Tony Cragg; who, since around 1980, has been assembling bits of plastic detritus into wall collages. An argument could be made for the influence of Richard Long on Cragg's work. While Long arranges stones into circles; both have an ecological subtext.

Tony Cragg New Figuration, 1985

Colored plastic construction

106 x 208 in.

Currently in the Hirshhorn.

Mark:

Many thanks, both excellent examples. Without question the evolution of influence on the Artist and Designers work.

I will visit the Hirshhorn before week end. To view Tony Cragg exhibit.

Maven, the piece I presented is part of the permament collection.

Check the lower level.

Mark, right, right, I know… that sun thing, with nothing new under it and such. But not the same premise. Similar but not separated-at-birth-same.

Armin, the premises may be different but the formal approach is exactly the same. Even when comparing the Dove poster and the Lincoln Center "swimmer" — different premise (peace vs. recreation), similar formal methods.

Luba Lukova is better known for her highly stylized figures than the many-pieces-make-a-whole collage. Compared to the rest of her work, her poster is an idiosyncratic formal detour.

On the other hand, Tony Cragg is quite well-known in the art world. I've known about his work for a couple decades, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lukova or the anonymous designer* for Lincoln Center did too.

* Lincoln Center's policy is not to allow design credits on their material. Photography and illustration credits are permitted.

Mark:

Again, many thanks.

I hate going into Hirshhorn. The Guards follow

me when I stare at the Chuck Close to long. (LAUGHS)

I owe myself an original Chuck Close.

I'll have to buy one off eBay. (LOL)

Hope its not an ELMYR.

Even an ELMYR is worth a lot of money.

BETCHA, ELMYR couldn't reproducd Chuck Close large format AIRBRUSH PAINTINGS.

Going Friday to Hirshhorn. Lord Willing.

1. Dispense Mouthwash into dirty hand. Somehow get it into your mouth and swish around and spit.

2. Lotion up that fresh minty hand.

3. Wash off that damned lotion with Soap. Hand is now clean, mouth is now (kind of) clean.

4. Put Gel somewhere. Maybe your hair? Ha ha, now your hand's dirty again.

Those Canadians and their sense of humour, I'll tell ya...

About the dispenser:

First, just the thought of dispensing mouthwash in a public washroom is absolutely disgusting! Secondly I did imagine myself bending under that mouthwash dispenser to catch in my mouth what I could. Seems as if you’d need to ask someone for help, to push the button for you while you bend over to catch it in your mouth.

I say the gel dispenser is the winner.

One other thing, I don’t know what it is or if anybody else has the same thought/experience but when I read anything from M. Kingsley, I find myself reading it as if it’s HAL talking, the AI supercomputer from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

There is Kubrick sensibility to this whole dispenser thing. Looks like something from Clockwork Orange or 2001...definitely more 2001.